My Recent Job Interview with Google at the ‘Plex’
June 18th, 2007
Well I kept it a big secret from you all because I didn’t want to jinx myself – but I was invited recently to an interview with Google (it was the ‘exciting little company‘ I spoke about a couple months back in a post about an upcoming interview).
The position was to be based at Mountain View, California, and as part of the great Webmaster support team – along with neat and very bright people like Adam Lasnik, Vanessa Fox, Aaron D’Souza and Matt Cutts.
The position was ‘Webmaster Trends Analyst’, something I felt uniquely attracted to – I’ve a strong background in stats (from my undergraduate degree and time running scientific trials with the Sugar industry), have run several ecommerce sites and have a Master’s Degree in Computer and Comms Engineering – as well as being a regular poster on the Google Webmaster Forums – so I love hearing about what other folks are up to.
It was an exciting opportunity – so accordingly I took some valuable time off my PhD to prepare – before hopping on the plane for the 13 hour flight to San Francisco.
It was a great experience, but unfortunately I didn’t get the position.
I was disappointed.
As I wrote to one of my contacts about it:-
“so, either I’ll start looking for work again or I’ll bite my bum, put the pedal to the metal and get back into the PhD.
G was going to be a great fit because working with people like yourself would have been a ‘learning’ experience rather than just a job – I hate the 9-5 ‘office worker’ style culture of uni, but love the learning side.
My main problem when it comes to being hired is that of previous job experience.. I start to look like a jack of all trades but an expert at none.
Imho I thought that would be what would get me the job with G, as I’ve been told it makes me a pretty powerful educator – and a great interface between nutty engineer / scientist types and the general public.”
But let me take a step back here for a moment – I need to emphasise that I found the whole experience incredibly rejuvenating and irregardless of the fact I wasn’t successful, I still feel honoured.
If Google were to turn around today and say they wanted to employ me, I’d say yes in an heartbeat.
Why? Because any company that actually recruits internationally for a position known as ‘Webmaster Trends Analyst’ is a company that has a conscience. I don’t see such a position advertised at Yahoo. I don’t see such a position advertised at MSN… actually, I don’t see such a position advertised ANYWHERE.
When I was going through the interviews, one of the interviewers (and I hope I’m not out of line here) actually spoke about the fact that Google pulls together information from heaps of different resources (blogs, forums etc) on a regular basis and tries to quantitatively (from qualitative signals) assess ‘webmaster sentiment’ – and use it as an early warning system to alert them if things (like an algorithm change for instance) have had any unforseen impact. That made me sit back and go ‘wow’.
I count myself very lucky to have been interviewed by a great company with a social conscience like Google and dearly hope an opportunity pops up soon and I get another crack at it (You can contact me if you know of one).
But enough of that – the whole experience was a complete blast – let me show you a few photos.
This first photo is the centre of the Googleplex – it’s a neat place. I like the fact that I seem to have captured a black crow in mid-flight right below the Google sign 🙂
Took this photo on a toilet break at the ‘plex’ – judging from the pace of the interview I figured that time is a commodity in short supply at the googleplex, but this pic (right above the urinal) really rammed it home “Testing on the Toilet” – an A4 page giving thought provoking code tips to the engineers. 🙂
I got the opportunity to do a fair bit of sight seeing while I was there…
The Golden Gate Bridge (with me in front of it).
You’ll notice in all of these photos that I’m wearing one of two shirts – bloody Qantas sent all my luggage to Helsinki on the way over, so I had only a pair of shorts, a pair of moleskins, the shirt I wore on the plane and one I bought for the interview (this one) for the whole trip – don’t get me started about QANTAS.
Across the Golden gate bridge from San Fran is a beaut spot called ‘Reyes Point’ – here’s a photo looking back towards San Fran from there (with the Golden Gate Bridge in the background).
A pretty flower at Reyes point – I believe the plant is called Pigface – why, I don’t know 🙂
A ‘Hummer Limousine’ – Wow!
Another pretty flower in San Fran (are you a REAL Aussie! That’s so COOL! I want a photo with you!!) – the people were very friendly at “Kell’s Bar” – I love a good Irish Pub, and this one was a beauty – it’s just off Columbus.
The owner (right) and head barman of Kell’s Bar..
They shouted me quite a few Guinness’s – here I think that magical brown ale is starting to have its curative effects 🙂 (I am not too sure whether the spooky red eyes were caused by the camera or the Gazillion pints of Guinness)
The morning after – one of those famous cable trams in San Fran.
My Hotel was right in the centre of SF (Sutter and Powell) – I got it for a nightly rate of like $69 – it was fantastic
Just a pretty picture of one of the brass fire hydrants they have all over the place in San Fran.
Some San Fran street art- this was in Chinatown – San Fran has the best Chinatown I’ve seen in any international city – I felt like I was back in Beijing.
On the way out of San Fran – you can see the city itself and the Bay Bridge top RHS.
I loved San Fran – it was such a vibrant colourful city – I hope to go back there someday soon.
QANTAS strikes again – I had to wait 18 hours for my flight back – by the time I took this photo (the time on my watch is AM by the way) we’d been locked in LA airport with no food or refreshments all night waiting for our plane which was recursively only going to be ‘another twenty minutes’ all night.
Some rather unfortunate baggage handler had managed to run into the wing with the mobile stairs, causing severe damage to the port side aileron.
I felt sorry for the parents with little kids – the time on my watch is AM – roughly 20 hours after the plane was meant to leave.
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1. Craig | June 19th, 2007 at 12:11 am
Been there done that with the bit about Jack-of-all-trades.
The problem is that most people don’t understand that it IS possible to be master of ALL. 😉
I think my interviewing days are over though anyway, at least from the side of the table you were on.
It’s too bad you didn’t get the job though. I know from being a fellow Google Webmaster Help forum denizen that your analytical approach would have fit right in.
But, as we’ve talked before, it probably just means that something better is just down the road a piece.
Besides, the second time should be easier, right? 🙂
2. JLH | June 19th, 2007 at 2:43 am
Too bad you didn’t get your dream job, but from what I can tell you are a man of action, and that isn’t Google. They move at the speed of business now adays, which means they need 20 meetings to set up the next 40 meetings to actually do something, you’d probably go insane in a week.
Just look at all the empty promises with no follow up in the webmaster help group! That’s not you, and you probably wouldn’t be happy being a part of it. I think you can make a bigger impact on the outside of the collective.
Besides, you’d have to live in California, yuk. I like it here on Earth.
3. JohnMu | June 19th, 2007 at 6:53 am
Hey Matt
Too bad it didn’t work out 🙁 – Like Craig said, that’s probably just because something even better is around the corner! Finish your PhD and then “Become a Certified Yoga Teacher in 90 Days or less, in Your Own Home” or perhaps “Why pay-per-click when you can pay-per-result instead. See our magic work!”? At least that’s what Adsense is suggesting.
Note to self: never use Adsense as a basis to make an important decision.
4. Craig | June 19th, 2007 at 7:33 am
JohnMu you silly goose! Everyone knows you can’t make any money being an in-home Yoga guru!
On the other hand I just signed up for this program where all I have to do is answer questionnaires all day and they said I can make up to $9,000 a month!
Only problem is that they never did ask for any bank account information so I don’t know how they are going to send my my thousands and thousands of dollars and come to think about it, they just asked me to send them my credit card info by e-mail.
But, it only cost $100 to register and they my account says I have $50 already so I should be good, right? :-()
I agree with JLH though on having to live on the Left Coast although working at the Googleplex would have been fun, until you had to leave at the end of the day. 😉
5. DuckMan | June 19th, 2007 at 9:13 am
Ooh Goodie! I’ve got comments – I’ve always wanted to do a ‘Cutts’ style mass reply but never had enough comments to do them before, so, here goes…
Craig:
>It is possible to be an expert at all.
I know you’re being facetious, but you’re actually quite right – once you’ve reached a certain level of knowing little bits about lots of things – yup – you can become pretty good at just about anything pretty quickly – connecting the dots.
If I had to define my niche job on the basis of jobs I’ve had – crikey – I won’t even begin to contemplate…
JLH:
>bad you didn’t get your dream job
Was it my dream job? I dunno – the challenge would have worn off or I would have replaced myself with an algorithm pretty quick.
Working for Google in general would be a dream job, because the organisation is big enough that people seem to drift towards their niche. Also, I love the D in R&D – they do a lot of that. Research without development can be incredibly frustrating.
> you’d probably go insane in a week.
I worked in Papua New Guinea. I survived. Enough said 😉
>look at all the empty promises with no follow up in the webmaster help group
I hear your frustration, and I should say this for them – when I was there we spoke alot about the groups. Almost everyone I spoke to had an intimate knowledge of recent events on the groups – so it’s true – they do read them.
As to why they don’t post much anymore? I think prob something most of us outsiders don’t understand is that many of the people we chat to (like Adam and Jonathan) are multi-taskers – and look at poor Vanessa – she could have pitched a tent at the airport and never paid rent again.
Plus – mostly we do such a good job they don’t need to step in 🙂
MU:
Don’t know abt the PhD thing – it’s got some teething problems – shifting sands – I’m only 3 months in so time will tell but I’m not certain it’s where I want to be – as I said, I can do both, but I prefer the D in R&D. This PhD is all about R – and why we sort out the teething problems I have no income – so things are tight.
____
6. Craig | June 19th, 2007 at 11:43 am
I don’t know if they still have it in the US or not but at least at one time, there was a certification process for becoming a “Professional Engineer”. At that time, and maybe still, if you didn’t know ja wide range of engineering principles and basics, you didn’t get certified.
At the time, the number of BS and MS engineers that I knew that failed the test numerous times, more often than not simply giving up, I would say the tests were not so easy.
I was the smart one though, I never took it in the first place. :-()
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8. JLH | June 19th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
Doc- The term multi-tasking is often misused. I find it usually means doing too many things at once and getting nothing actually done. Common courtesy however, dictates that you tell the people you are blowing off for other tasks that they are being blown off, at least they aren’t waiting expecting something out of them. I don’t have a way to chat with Googler’s I’m in no way that highly connected. That would be you.
Craig- Having your PE proves that you passed a test one day, it doesn’t say much for how you are today, but you are right its backloaded with a lot of the basics that I forgot the day I go my degree.
9. theDuck | June 19th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
JLH – I can say with 100% certainty that you personally have been heard – at the interview we had a little informal chat about issues like moderation / Google presence etc on the forums. Also, recently they’ve taken two actions (that I know of) as a direct result of suggestions you made on the board.
Personally if I were a noogler I’d be scared out of my brain to lay comments on the forum lest something be misinterpreted and cause a firestorm. But you’re right, imho, they could prob do with a few more people on the ground in the webmaster relations area and finding some way to keep the serial pests at bay would be a big step.
10. Susan Moskwa | June 19th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
Hey Matt–
Just wanted to let you know that we really appreciate your contributions to the Help Group and I hope we continue to see you around! I think the problem may be that we have a quota on Matts, they’re all over the place in Mountain View and we have to move a few out before we can start taking more in. 😉
Seriously, though, I’m glad you enjoyed the visit (and, as Craig says, the second time is always easier!).
11. DuckMan | June 19th, 2007 at 5:10 pm
Thanks Susan!
I can always change my name if you want 🙂
Folks, for those of you that don’t know, Susan was recently appointed Webmaster Trends Analyst – Susan has a background in linguistics – which should be hugely useful for the alg development people on the team.
Thanks Susan for dropping by, CONGRATULATIONS and I really appreciate your comments. Please don’t be a stranger.
Matt
12. Craig | June 19th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
I am sorry to correct you Susan but you are utterly and totally incorrect!
One of the Matts, I forget which one now, briefly mentioned it in passing at one point, Vanessa (I drink while nude) Fox elaborated on it a bit and JohnMu of the Google Webmaster Help forum went into great detail on the fact that there can be an almost infinite number of Matts!
As long as each Matt has sufficient PageRank, none of the Matts need languish in Supplemental Hell!
So as you can see, your statement regarding having a limit on the number of Matts that the Googleplex can support is in error and you should consider yourself corrected.
Please update your notes for those times this might come up in future discussions and thanks for your cooperation.
Craig
p.s. when is Google going to have a “do” on our side of the pond? Not only does the Goog have a larger battle on this side of the pond compared to the mopping up efforts seemingly only being what is required on your side but even more so, in the vacuum that exists, there are literally too many to count “SEO Seminars” by some “expert” or other being given each weekend where the topics revolve around using multiple blogs to circularly reference each other each with their content based on repetitive pap.
We need you guys and dolls over here!!!
Besides, someone needs to seriously teach you guys how to drink if any of you thought you knew how in the past. 😉
Oops, I went just a wee bit off topic. 😉
You will now be returned to your previously scheduled program.
13. Susan Moskwa | June 19th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
We’re working on mobilizing our international forces, as it were, but you shouldn’t have to twist my arm too hard to convince me to come party–I mean, *educate and network*–across the pond! Rest assured, international SEO events are on my list of Things To Try To Finagle.
14. Craig | June 19th, 2007 at 6:39 pm
That would be great! I go to some of these seminars just to see how far out in left field some people are and more often than not they will have a raising of hands counting those who have heard of Google and those who primarily use Google.
The latter, on average is only about 12 to 18% and the former, embarrassing.
Google can only make do with what it has to work with and considering what the “SEO community” here in Japan seems to think is the right way to do things, at least as far as setting up circular referencing blogs and letting the Adsense income flow in, it is no wonder Google.jp is not as useful as it could be. 🙁
Sorry, side tracking things again, back on topic! I use to make it a habit of going to interviews even when I wasn’t really looking all that hard, partly because one never knows what might come up but more so, because I became able to learn the direction industries were headed simply by paying attention to what questions were asked and how.
There really need not be such a thing as a wasted or bad interview, just bad or wasted interviewers or interviewees.
Moral of the story, NEVER have an interview in a bar unless you are interviewing for a bartender”s position.
Why do I keep getting back around to drinking?
15. DuckMan | June 19th, 2007 at 7:24 pm
I think the whole Asian arena is an interesting one for Google.
I’ve done business in many countries over there (never been to Japan yet) but certainly the big G doesn’t seem to have been able to make major inroads over there except in nations where English is a common language (like Singapore and India, for instance).
China is one market in particular in which G is going to have an interesting experience (and I’d love to have a crack at) – if you get the chance Susan, head over there – the Chinese are fantastic to do business with (and beaut people – fantastic hosts) but the rules are very different. I’ve a great book here sitting on my desk called ‘Mr China’ by Tim Clissold which you should consider essential reading.
As for SEO practices – in Japan it’s circular linking schemes ‘eh?
In India it is – well – they love their flash over there, and the focus of ‘SEO experts’ there seems to be more on making sites incredibly beautiful and artistic to the exclusion of SEO – and even when I have seen any attempt at good SEO there it’s usually 4 or 5 years behind the times – keyword stuffing is rampant, they love their link directories and they also seem to have discovered hidden text recently 😉
It’s interesting how different markets have different ideas EVEN in this era of globalisation.
16. Craig | June 20th, 2007 at 1:34 am
Unless it has changed from when I did a little business in China, over 20 years ago so hopefully it has changed, it easily cost 3 times the amount it would normally to do business. There were a number of reasons for that but that greatest cost was having to import/build the infrastructure one’s business relied on.
For Google to make serious in roads into China, I think a lot is going to have to be invested in the most important infrastructure to Google, bandwidth.
As for India, I was actually in New Delhi and Bombay long enough so that I could drink the tap water without getting sick. Anyone else who came for shorter periods of time and tried that ended up in the hospital shortly after. I loved India though and wish I had a chance/reason to go back.
It is interesting that you mention their dated SEO techniques and I was thinking much the same thing. It seems like everyone, in getting acclimated towards the concept of search need to go through the same or similar evolutionary process.
But to be honest, it is sometimes VERY hard not to get a little “miffed” at people when their techniques are blatant as can be yet they seem not to know it. I do truly believe though that many of them actually don’t know that what they are doing is not a good thing and instead, just what is done.
Most definitely, Google’s real challenge in the next few years is going to be bringing all the areas of the world up to speed that may have either been a bit late in joining in the fun or, left for too long on their own and so have grown a bit “wild”.
17. JLH | June 20th, 2007 at 1:43 am
Interested on working on a project with me? I think its a good one, but I need someone with some mad programming skilz that I just don’t have.
Imagine if Larry would have said no to Sergey? or vice versa.
18. theDuck | June 20th, 2007 at 2:42 am
Ha! – sounds like you were there about the same time I was. Of course, I was just a kid, but when my Ma got remarried, my step-dad decided to take us all (Mum, my sister and I) on a cycling holiday through China (his version of a honeymoon, bless him) – it was back in the days when about the only way you could get in to China as a tourist was to say you were ‘a sportsman in training’ – hence the bikes :).
My main memory is of always being busting for a pee – the Chinese tea was so great, but they pumped so much in to you at every stop..
We had a ball – it was really a great experience for a kid – but you’re right, back then precious little in terms of infrastructure.
In the rural areas – yep – but these days (been 3 times in last couple years) things are VERY VERY different (and read Clissold’s if you want to know part of the reason why 😉 ) – they’ve got infrastructure popping up like mushrooms – the Chinese are natural traders, and they’ve taken to capitalism like a duck to water – the experiment with communism was really just a little blip in a very long history of being natural capitalists.
Shanghai BLEW ME AWAY when I went there a couple years ago – it was amazing to see the transformation – and it continues. IMHO Shanghai and Dubai are the two most exciting cities on the planet in terms of sheer growth and cultural diversity at the mo.
I’m flattered – but you might be mistaking me for a real programmer, JLH, I mostly just have enough skill to allow me to develop other people’s great ideas, usually using building blocks from open source. My real programming experience is in C, and specifically embedded design.
At the mo I’m more on a path of taking little consultancies / contracts here and there where I can fit them in to keep bread on the table while I juggle the PhD and pursuing opps like the one I just had with Google (and if anyone has any, let me know).
Having said that – you’ve intrigued me – pop me an email with the idea and I’ll see whether it looks do-able. If I can’t do it, and the idea looks like a floater, I might know someone in the position to help.
19. Craig | June 20th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
The three servers I have in China tell me different. 😉
Maybe on the surface things have changed but underneath where it counts, I’m not seeing much of a difference.
I was In Shanghai recently as well and I noticed an interesting difference also although even when I was there 20 some years ago, there were continual changes even then although back then it was the period of huge influxes of people from the rural areas into Shanghai and the city wasn’t yet capable of housing them all let alone being able to put them to any kind of productive use.
But, watching things from the outside after I left, I was there for about a year, within about 5 years most of the initial wave of “immigrants” had been assimilated and I consider that point as being a demarcation line for when Shanghai really began to prosper.
Personally I think the Communist party is just trying to figure out how to stay out of the way so that the mass of humanity that is there doesn’t roll right over them. :-()
Shanghai had the human “raw materials” previous to the time I was speaking of but didn’t yet have the capabilities or opportunities to utilize the resources they had.
Still though, what’s on the surface and what’s underneath are totally different animals and it is going to take understanding what is underneath to be able to utilize what is on the surface.
20. Aaron D'Souza | June 20th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
Hey thanks for your note over at my corner.
Great meeting and talking to you back when you visited the ‘plex. Glad to see you had a nice time in SF. Drop me a line if you’re in the area again!
21. theDuck | June 20th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
Couldn’t have put it better myself – the human potential is huge.
Wow thanks Aaron! It was cool meeting you too, and I feel won’t be the last time – offer back to you too – try and get an opportunity to come over to Brisbane – you’d love the photo opps – and you’ll have a friendly host 😉
22. Jorge | June 22nd, 2007 at 11:02 am
Hi Matt and all,
(Warning: I finally wrote a lot…too much….so reading it all will definitely be a sign of your willingness 😉
I just dropped in your blog. I found it thanks to your “profile” in Google Webmaster Groups. Excuse me for my English because it’s not my native language. I am from Barcelona (Spain).
Firstly, congratulations for your high spirits after the result of your interview with Google. You seem to be a born fighter. I, as you, have had a very diverse professional career: Jurist Doctor Degree in Law, some years working as an Attorney, Master in Company Law, International Sales Manager in a B2B multilingual internet portal, Brand Manager, Sales Manager…and currently working as a Consultant in Online Marketing. Certainly, Internet (and Digital Marketing) has been a Passion for me a long ago. It seems I finally found my place. I know lots of people with a broad professional experience in different fields and great jobs today. They have easiness to understand the needs of the Company. A global vision of the needs of the Company is as much important as your know-how in you expertise area. Anyway, I am sure –from reading you- that you did not get that job at Google but you will probably get a great one. Just wait and keep working as you are doing.
Today I gave my first lesson in English at a Master in Euro Asian International Business at University (a public University near Barcelona-Spain). I hope they understood me 😉 It was about E-Business and SEO. 4 hours. From 5pm to 9 pm. So tiring for them and for me. But I think that, even though, it went ok. The fact is that I met very interesting people. One of the Master students is an entrepreneur from China, currently working for a Consulting Company based over there. The still recent opening of China may bring us great business opportunities, together with a wild competition. I like the idea of doing some kind of consulting for Spanish Companies going there. I studied a little their Market business practices and some law years ago. So I understand your aspiration of going there at some point to get Google widely used by Chinese people.
I did not expect to write this much. But this is what I did. Anyway, it was nice reading you. Congratulations for being selected for an interview with Google. And be patient because your best job is still waiting for you.
Best regards from Barcelona,
Jorge
23. Jorge | June 22nd, 2007 at 11:08 am
by the way, the pictures you put here are great. Thanks. And sorry again for speaking too much about myself. The point was that your experience with different jobs may be highly valuable and profitable for the Company hiring you. That was the point.
Best,
Jorge
24. theDuck | June 22nd, 2007 at 12:01 pm
Not a problem Jorge – note the title of the website – utheguru – what it means is that I like to hear from people that know stuff about things – I like people talking about what they do, that’s cool – plus your nice comments helped cheer me up 🙂
My maternal uncle lives in Spain (not far from Barcelona) – he’s an expat Australian, but he’s been involved at a very high level for years with radio stations throughout Europe until recently, he was head of the SBS group – Peter Benson – a very gifted man. I’m planning to follow him (not into radio, rather to Europe) at some stage when the opportunity arises.
I have been there – I went to expo ’92 in Sevillia – as a 15 or 16 year old just beginning to come into my own, I remember thinking that if Aphrodite were to be found, surely she would be found in Sevillia.
Congrats on your move into english speaking lecturing – If the quality of your written English is an indicator, I’m certain you will do brilliantly 🙂
Cheers and please, feel free to stay in touch via email – I’ll be interested to hear what you are up to.
Matt
25. SusieJ | June 25th, 2007 at 3:32 am
LOVE the photos! So glad the whole thing Rejeuvenated you, and you got an awesome trip out of the whole thing. And who knows where this experience will take you.
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27. Jorge Mira | July 3rd, 2007 at 8:02 pm
Hi Matt,
Sorry for my delay to write back. These have been very busy days.
Thanks for your compliments. It’s great you are coming to Europe at some point. Even better if you come over in Spain. Remember that Barcelona –my city- is a must-see place, so send me an email when coming to visit.
Hope to keep reading your blog Matt.
Best regards,
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31. Niyas Hussain | January 14th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Hi,
Where are you working now? 🙂 I hope in GOOGLE. All the best
32. theDuck | January 16th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Hiya Nias!
I’m currently working for myself – just doing odds and sods around the place whilst I decide what to do over the next year (shall it be continuing the PhD, which seems to have become derailed, continue working for myself or take on some new and interesting challenge – not sure 😀 )
Haven’t lost hope that something may come up with the Google crew – they’re still very much my type of company and I make it a habit to stay in touch with them – in the meantime I’m just continuing to concentrate on learning as much about as many things as I can 🙂
M
33. Jaun Millalonco | July 2nd, 2009 at 6:37 am
Just wanted to say great job with the blog, today is my first visit here and I’ve enjoyed reading your posts so far 🙂
Juan
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