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	<title>Comments on: Spam or Not? Duplicate Content, Different Domains, Different Language</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: al</title>
		<link>http://www.utheguru.com/spam-or-not-duplicate-content-different-domains-different-language#comment-2194</link>
		<dc:creator>al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The spanish version has no sense:

This is correct:
&lt;b&gt;
¿Es ACEPTABLE duplicar el contenido en una LENGUA DIFERENTE?.&lt;/b&gt;

The automatic translations could be always detectable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The spanish version has no sense:</p>
<p>This is correct:<br />
<b><br />
¿Es ACEPTABLE duplicar el contenido en una LENGUA DIFERENTE?.</b></p>
<p>The automatic translations could be always detectable.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.utheguru.com/spam-or-not-duplicate-content-different-domains-different-language#comment-1989</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.utheguru.com/spam-or-not-duplicate-content-different-domains-different-language#comment-1989</guid>
		<description>hey, interesting topic

actually i'm gonna set up a new site for our company and this topic really does concern me

so i f we have a new site with a new domain and languages (english included also), would google consider our 2nd site as a spam also?

and do u know how it'll effect our old english site ranks?

thx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, interesting topic</p>
<p>actually i&#8217;m gonna set up a new site for our company and this topic really does concern me</p>
<p>so i f we have a new site with a new domain and languages (english included also), would google consider our 2nd site as a spam also?</p>
<p>and do u know how it&#8217;ll effect our old english site ranks?</p>
<p>thx</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.utheguru.com/spam-or-not-duplicate-content-different-domains-different-language#comment-855</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.utheguru.com/spam-or-not-duplicate-content-different-domains-different-language#comment-855</guid>
		<description>Spare me, "The idea dates from the late 1980s and early 1990s, when researchers at IBM stopped relying on grammar rules and began experimenting with sets of already-translated work known as parallel text."

Wow!!  They discovered the Rosetta Stone!  

Give IBM a cookie for discovering something that has been known for over 1,800 years!  :-()

What's next, the wheel, fire?  :-)

Back on topic though, I think that machine translations will effectively become the same as duplicate content in that there will be almost no incentive for anyone to link to it, other than other spammers. 

And, if there are no incentives to link to a random text generator, that means that the pages that people actually are likely to link to will have to support all the other translations single handedly.

What I learned in my little experiment was that the alternate languages ranked no where near their original language counter part on their respective Google locals and about all it seemed to accomplish was making more of my original language pages supplemental.

I say if someone is fool enough to believe what they hear about a machine translation boosting a site's rankings without actually being able to read the resulting translations to know how bad they are, that just means more open positions at the top of the rankings for me!

So yeah, I think machine translations are great and EVERYONE should use them, except me.  :-)

Craig</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spare me, &#8220;The idea dates from the late 1980s and early 1990s, when researchers at IBM stopped relying on grammar rules and began experimenting with sets of already-translated work known as parallel text.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow!!  They discovered the Rosetta Stone!  </p>
<p>Give IBM a cookie for discovering something that has been known for over 1,800 years!  :-()</p>
<p>What&#8217;s next, the wheel, fire?  <img src='http://www.utheguru.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Back on topic though, I think that machine translations will effectively become the same as duplicate content in that there will be almost no incentive for anyone to link to it, other than other spammers. </p>
<p>And, if there are no incentives to link to a random text generator, that means that the pages that people actually are likely to link to will have to support all the other translations single handedly.</p>
<p>What I learned in my little experiment was that the alternate languages ranked no where near their original language counter part on their respective Google locals and about all it seemed to accomplish was making more of my original language pages supplemental.</p>
<p>I say if someone is fool enough to believe what they hear about a machine translation boosting a site&#8217;s rankings without actually being able to read the resulting translations to know how bad they are, that just means more open positions at the top of the rankings for me!</p>
<p>So yeah, I think machine translations are great and EVERYONE should use them, except me.  <img src='http://www.utheguru.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Craig</p>
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		<title>By: DuckMan</title>
		<link>http://www.utheguru.com/spam-or-not-duplicate-content-different-domains-different-language#comment-853</link>
		<dc:creator>DuckMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.utheguru.com/spam-or-not-duplicate-content-different-domains-different-language#comment-853</guid>
		<description>I hear you, Craig.

Probably the most promising system I've seen recently is &lt;a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.12/translate_pr.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt; which I read about recently in wired magazine - it really looks promising.

Having said that, if you're running a made 4 adsense site, who really gives a shit if the text is readable to a human - all you need to do is make sure that it makes sense to Google and doesn't trigger spam filters (not hard) and get listed - if it doesn't make any sense to the reader - all the better - there should (hopefully) be some well targetted adsense ads that they'll have virtually no choice but to click on to escape the meaningless drivel.

Cheers,

M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you, Craig.</p>
<p>Probably the most promising system I&#8217;ve seen recently is <a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.12/translate_pr.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this one</a> which I read about recently in wired magazine - it really looks promising.</p>
<p>Having said that, if you&#8217;re running a made 4 adsense site, who really gives a shit if the text is readable to a human - all you need to do is make sure that it makes sense to Google and doesn&#8217;t trigger spam filters (not hard) and get listed - if it doesn&#8217;t make any sense to the reader - all the better - there should (hopefully) be some well targetted adsense ads that they&#8217;ll have virtually no choice but to click on to escape the meaningless drivel.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>M</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.utheguru.com/spam-or-not-duplicate-content-different-domains-different-language#comment-852</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.utheguru.com/spam-or-not-duplicate-content-different-domains-different-language#comment-852</guid>
		<description>For a while I ran an auto-translation system on one of my sites although I took it off a short time later because people for whom English was not their native language, the English version was easier to understand than their native language.

As you can imagine though, this translation system was touted for its Search Engine "friendliness" although it would have been more apt to say, "ability to spam search engines because they can't read".

I haven't tried Google's latest translation system yet but I do know that the translations from babelfish would be laughable if people didn't actually know it was little better than a random word generator.

It is sort of amusing though to translate the same text back and forth over and over again and see what kind of crazy text one can come up with.

All that said, I actually saw a number of SEO'ers using the same system, although none of them used it for very long.  Actually the system itself worked very well, it is the translation that is terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a while I ran an auto-translation system on one of my sites although I took it off a short time later because people for whom English was not their native language, the English version was easier to understand than their native language.</p>
<p>As you can imagine though, this translation system was touted for its Search Engine &#8220;friendliness&#8221; although it would have been more apt to say, &#8220;ability to spam search engines because they can&#8217;t read&#8221;.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t tried Google&#8217;s latest translation system yet but I do know that the translations from babelfish would be laughable if people didn&#8217;t actually know it was little better than a random word generator.</p>
<p>It is sort of amusing though to translate the same text back and forth over and over again and see what kind of crazy text one can come up with.</p>
<p>All that said, I actually saw a number of SEO&#8217;ers using the same system, although none of them used it for very long.  Actually the system itself worked very well, it is the translation that is terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: DuckMan</title>
		<link>http://www.utheguru.com/spam-or-not-duplicate-content-different-domains-different-language#comment-753</link>
		<dc:creator>DuckMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 08:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.utheguru.com/spam-or-not-duplicate-content-different-domains-different-language#comment-753</guid>
		<description>Hi Chris - I think you may have missed my point - I guess that can happen when the writer is being deliberately vague.

Think more deeply.

I'm not talking about my site, and the list at the bottom is not meant to summarise my concerns - they are added thoughts. The foreign language captions below the main article are me poking fun.

I'm talking about the content scrapers and &lt;em&gt;relevance&lt;/em&gt;.

Read this http://www.utheguru.com/backlink-bad-neighbourhood-penalty

M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris - I think you may have missed my point - I guess that can happen when the writer is being deliberately vague.</p>
<p>Think more deeply.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not talking about my site, and the list at the bottom is not meant to summarise my concerns - they are added thoughts. The foreign language captions below the main article are me poking fun.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m talking about the content scrapers and <em>relevance</em>.</p>
<p>Read this <a href="http://www.utheguru.com/backlink-bad-neighbourhood-penalty" rel="nofollow">http://www.utheguru.com/backlink-bad-neighbourhood-penalty</a></p>
<p>M</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hunt</title>
		<link>http://www.utheguru.com/spam-or-not-duplicate-content-different-domains-different-language#comment-752</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 08:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.utheguru.com/spam-or-not-duplicate-content-different-domains-different-language#comment-752</guid>
		<description>Don't be silly.

As always, the rule for putting content on a site is to think of the needs of people, not of search engines. If it meets the needs of people for you to address them in their own language - which clearly it does - then it's not something that engines will penalise you for, even if it were practical to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be silly.</p>
<p>As always, the rule for putting content on a site is to think of the needs of people, not of search engines. If it meets the needs of people for you to address them in their own language - which clearly it does - then it&#8217;s not something that engines will penalise you for, even if it were practical to do so.</p>
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